From: Paul Cockshott (wpc@DCS.GLA.AC.UK)
Date: Mon Jun 12 2006 - 05:16:17 EDT
I think Ajit has focussed on a key point here. Ian why do you think that capitalist consumption is productive whereas that of workers is not? Why not include workers consumption as well in your equation so to get 2 tons raw material + 4000 hrs of labor +4 tons workers consumption + 4 tons capitalist consumption --> 10 t. of corn In treating capitalist consumption as productive you are going against the whole school of classical political economy. If capitalist consumption is productive then money spent by capitalists on their domestic servants would also count as productive so you are rejecting the distinction between productive and unproductive labour made by Smith and Marx. Ian Wright wrote: > Hi Ajit > > You have very rapidly focussed your attention on some of the key points. > > > For Sraffa, this makes no difference > > to the labor-values of corn. But for you this > > increases the labor-value of corn from 500 to 1000. > > How does this happen? You argue (implicitly or > > explicitlt) that capitalists consumption of the 4 tons > > of corn should be put back as input in the system. > > Thus your method of production changes to: > > 2 t. of corn as raw mat.+4t. of corn as cap. con. > > +4000 hrs of labor--> 10 t. of corn > > This obviously makes the value of corn equal to 1000 > > hrs of labor per unit of corn. Now the absurdity of > > this change in the method of production should be > > obvious. But I'll not belabor on that. > > The method of production: > > (A) 2 t. of corn as raw mat. + 4 t. of corn as cap. con. + 4000 hrs of > labor --> 10 t. of corn > > which seems absurd to you is the correct description of self-replacing > equilibrium -- because the real-costs balance on each side of the > equation. > > Of the 10 tons of output, 2 tons replaces the corn used-up as raw > material, 4 tons replaces the corn consumed by capitalists, and 4 tons > is the real wage that replaces the direct labour expended. > > Contrast with the representation that you think is not absurd: > > (B) 2 t. of corn as raw mat. + 4000 hrs of labor --> 10 t. of corn > > Of the 10 tons of output, 2 tons replaces the corn used-up as raw > material, 4 tons is the real wage that replaces the direct labour > expended, leaving 4 tons undistributed or unaccounted for ... > > Where did the 4 tons of capitalist consumption go? It is on the RHS > because it is an income. But it is missing on the LHS -- even though > capitalists consumed 4 tons of corn during the period of production. > The real-cost accounts do not balance. > > The two representations (A) and (B) constitute a very simple example > of the difference between working with a distributed rather than an > undistributed surplus. In (A) the surplus is fully distributed, in (B) > it is not. Capitalists continually and repeatedly consume corn in > simple reproduction. It therefore must appear both on the LHS, as a > cost, and on the RHS, as an income. It is not just an income. > > Consider this: the adoption of (B) implies that capitalists never > consume their 4 tons of corn, because labour is never expended to > replace it, despite the fact that capitalists bought their 4 tons of > corn, due to the balanced price accounts in Sraffa's price equation. > If you grasp this point then you will be free of the Sraffian > real-cost accounting error. > > I have no gripe with Sraffa's price equation because it does balance > and it is conservative in nominal costs. But the "half an equilibrium > system" that Joan Robinson alluded to in her review of PCMC (1961) is > Sraffa's asymmetrical treatment of the distribution of the surplus: > he's happy to slide up and down on the nominal wage-profit trade-off > while ignoring what that means for the real wage and capitalist > consumption. That's ok -- until he turns to labour-cost accounting > (and real-cost accounting in general, which he drops after Ch. 1). > > > I'll just underline a few more obvious points: (1) when you > > strip the system of all unnecessary complications, > > then you can see the whole idea of 'money capital' > > which is produced in capitalist household and price of > > money capital, etc. melts away. The firms have corn > > and corn is what they need as raw material as well as > > for wages and the devidends to the capitalists are > > also paid in corn. Nobody in the system needs anything > > else than corn. Thus my point that the firms always > > have their needed commodity capital should be clear > > now. > > Yes you can strip away the explicit representation of money-capital > because we can map from the circular flow, which explicitly represents > money-capital, to Sraffa's surplus equations, which do not. I swap > between the two throughout the numerical example. > > But without the concept of money-capital and the mapping to the > circular flow then we miss the principle of real-cost. The Sraffian > labour-cost accounting error is not caught. The circular flow > representation yields the j-inverse measure of real-cost, and it helps > us to understand why the Leontief inverse, which is employed in > Sraffa's formula for labour-values, fails to vertically integrate over > the whole real-cost structure. > > > (2)Your procedure amounts to throwing back > > physical capitalists consumption on the side of the > > inputs in the methods of production. > > Basically -- yes. Although a better description would be "balancing > the real-cost books". > > Method of production (A) augments the (1-dimensional) technique with > capitalist consumption. But this does not imply capitalists input corn > to production, just as the technique augmented by workers consumption > does not imply workers input corn to production. Capitalists input > money-capital to production, and workers input labour. The method of > augmenting the technique "short-cuts" these inputs. In linear > production theory there are often multiple equivalent representations > of the same economic state-of-affairs. The circular flow > representation is another example of this. > > > (3)In a multiple > > commodity model you cannot properly allocate > > capitalists consumptions as inputs for various sectors > > unless you solve for rate of profits from Sraffa's > > surplus equations. > > I agreed with this point in an earlier message. In the numerical > example, I do solve Sraffa's surplus equation in order to construct > the circular flow representation, just as you say (bottom of p. 77). > > But remember that the circular flow still has Sraffa's surplus > embedded within it -- except now it is also physically distributed, > not just nominally distributed. The circular flow price solution is > identical to Sraffa's surplus equation price solution. > > > Thus your attempt to simultaneously > > determine all prices and the rate of profits along > > with all capitalists consumption treated as inputs in > > the system is not possible--the system lacks one > > equation. > > The system lacks a numeraire equation. So the circular flow matrix has > a degree of freedom (if we construct it from Sraffa's starting point). > You can see that in the matrix on p.78. In the example, both the > capitalist consumption coefficients and the money-capital coefficients > are dependent on the price of corn. I discussed this in an earlier > message. However, it does not have the import that you think it has. > We would not be discussing a numerical example If the system really > lacked an equation and was not possible to solve. > > > The whole idea of a separate money capital > > sector, which produces a commodity called money > > capital--a commodity which does not appear in the > > input output structure but somehow gives you an > > independent equation is not making any common sense. > > The money-capital commodity does appear in the circular flow > input-output structure. That's the output of the capitalist household > sector, the last row of the circular flow matrix. We get rid of it > when we map back to Sraffa's surplus representation, or construct the > technique augmented by capitalist consumption, such as in > representation (A) above. > > Best wishes, > -Ian. > -- Paul Cockshott Dept Computing Science University of Glasgow 0141 330 3125
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