Re: [OPE-L] official results

From: Ian Hunt (ian.hunt@FLINDERS.EDU.AU)
Date: Mon Dec 04 2006 - 18:17:05 EST


Sorry for repeating myself. I thought my earlier reply went to
Michael as it initially did not come through.
>Well, yes. The US government has made much of this commitment: it was
>articulated by the US ambassador to Bolivia after an unwelcome result
>there. My use of the words "no doubt" implied some skepticism as to
>the depth of this commitment. Incidentally, since the US government
>labels Hamas  a "terrorist" organization and withdraws any
>commitments, including those to international law, when dealing with
>"terrorist" organizations, it is hardly surprising that it did not
>honour its proclaimed commitment in that case.
>
>>Michael,
>>   My guess is that Ian meant: "the *supposed*  or *proclaimed* US
>>commitment. . ."  The hypocrisy of the US government on the subject of
>>elections is legendary.
>>   Question: aside from the percentage figures, did we make the ten million
>>votes goal?  That was a symbolic target for the Chazez coalition.  Any
>>word on that yet?
>>    David
>>
>>>  There is no such commitment--- or don't you remember Hamas' democratic
>>>  victory?
>>>           m
>>>
>>>  At 23:14 03/12/2006, you wrote:
>>>>A good result. The US commitment to support of duly elected leaders
>>>>will no doubt be tested by this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 04/12/2006, at 1:18 PM, michael a. lebowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>OK, the electoral council has just announced in the basis of 78%
>>>>>returns so far that Chavez has 61.4 and Rosales 38. 3.
>>>>>          m
>>>>>--------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, if the exit polls are to be believed, Chavez won handily.
>>>>>Most recent ones I've heard informally have Chavez at 67%. Reuters
>>>>>has reported one from a pollster who worked for PDVSA and had
>>>>>pre-election polls of 59% as saying the exit poll results now are
>>>>>confirming these. Here are some others reported (though
>>>>>misinformation reigns there) on various blogs:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Exit Polls de ultima hora: Comando Miranda (Actualizado: Chavez
>>>>>>71% Rosales 28%). Comando Rosales: Chavez 51%, Rosales 47%.
>>>>>>Sumate: Chavez 48%, Rosales 52%. Globovision: Chavez 58%, Rosales 41%.
>>>>>>5:20 -- MARCEL GRANIER RECONOCE TRIUNFO DE CHAVEZ
>>>>>>El presidente de las empresas 1BC Marcel Granier le reconocio al
>>>>>>Vicepresidente de la Republica Bolivariana de Venezuela Jose
>>>>>>Vicente Rangel que ha ganado Chavez el proceso del 3D, al Igual
>>>>>>que la Cadena Capriles y venevision segun sus Exit pool reconocen
>>>>>>el triunfo de Hugo Chavez.
>>>>>>3:50 pm -- EXIT POOL EMPRESAS POLAR
>>>>>>PROYECCIONES  A BOCA DE URNA A ESTA HORA DE LA TARDE EN CALIENTE.
>>>>>>   CHAVEZ  -->64%
>>>>>>   ROSALES-->33%
>>>>>>SE ESTAN TOTALIZANDO  LAS ENCUESTAS FINALES DE BOCA DE URNA DE
>>>>>>NUESTRO SALA DE INFORMACION PARA SER PUBLICADAS.
>>>>>>3:45 -- EXIT POLL DE VENEVISION
>>>>>>Encuesta realizada A BOCA DE URNA hoy a por VENEVISION:
>>>>>>CHAVEZ 63%
>>>>>>ROSALES 37%
>>>>>>ESTAMOS TOTALIZANDO NUESTROS DATOS PARA NUESTRO EXIT POOL
>>>>>>2:27 pm -- EXIT POLL HASTA ESTA HORA
>>>>>>INFORMACION HASTA ESTA HORA EN PROYECCIONES RECOGIDAS  A BOCA DE
>>>>>>URNA REALIZADA POR:
>>>>>>--VICEPRESIDENCIA--
>>>>>>67%--> CHAVEZ
>>>>>>33%--> ROSALES
>>>>>>2:00 pm -- PROYECCIONES HASTA ESTA HORA
>>>>>>Encuesta realizada A BOCA DE URNA hoy a por VENEVISION:
>>>>>>CHAVEZ 63%
>>>>>>ROSALES 37%
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Michael A. Lebowitz
>>>>>Professor Emeritus
>>>>>Economics Department
>>>>>Simon Fraser University
>>>>>Burnaby, B.C., Canada V5A 1S6
>>>>>
>>>>>Currently based in Venezuela.
>>>>>NOTE NEW PHONE NUMBERS
>>>>>Can be reached at
>>>>>Residencias Anauco Suites
>>>>>Departamento 601
>>>>>Parque Central, Zona Postal 1010, Oficina 1
>>>>>Caracas, Venezuela
>>>>>(58-212) 573-6333, 571-1520, 571-3820 (or hotel cell: 0412-200-7540)
>>>>>fax: (58-212) 573-7724
>>>
>>>  Michael A. Lebowitz
>>>  Professor Emeritus
>>>  Economics Department
>>>  Simon Fraser University
>>>  Burnaby, B.C., Canada V5A 1S6
>>>
>>>  Currently based in Venezuela.
>>>  NOTE NEW PHONE NUMBERS
>>>  Can be reached at
>>>  Residencias Anauco Suites
>>>  Departamento 601
>>>  Parque Central, Zona Postal 1010, Oficina 1
>>>  Caracas, Venezuela
>>>  (58-212) 573-6333, 571-1520, 571-3820 (or hotel cell: 0412-200-7540)
>>>  fax: (58-212) 573-7724
>>>
>
>
>--
>Associate Professor Ian Hunt,
>Dept  of Philosophy, School of Humanities,
>Director, Centre for Applied Philosophy,
>Flinders University of SA,
>Humanities Building,
>Bedford Park, SA, 5042,
>Ph: (08) 8201 2054 Fax: (08) 8201 2784


--
Associate Professor Ian Hunt,
Dept  of Philosophy, School of Humanities,
Director, Centre for Applied Philosophy,
Flinders University of SA,
Humanities Building,
Bedford Park, SA, 5042,
Ph: (08) 8201 2054 Fax: (08) 8201 2784


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