RE: [OPE] Britain--parasitic and decaying capitalism: A comment

The colloquial sense is representative democracy with freedom of speech and assembly, well sumarised in the Treaty of Lisbon.
I would defend the notion of direct democracy in opposition to this, but if one talks about imperialism meaning the end of democracy
then it can not mean the end of direct democracy, as that has never been established, hence I interpreted you to mean
democracy in the colloquial sense used by the treat of Lisbon.
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coloquial sense of the word when you mentioned 'the

end of democracy'

what is that?

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Well we do not have democracy in the true sense in the EU or the USA, but I was

assuming you were using the coloquial sense of the word when you mentioned 'the

end of democracy' as being a symptom of imperialism

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Paul C:

But look at these points: the tendancy towards centralisation of capital is

general not specifically imperialist, and such centralisation as is now occuring

via multi-national companies fits in better with Kautskys ultra imperialism than

Hobsons model, albeit that the criticism of Kautsky in 1916 was valid then.

Dogan:

Paul C, you don't read carefully enough what people say. Who on the list made a

claim that centralisation of capital is specific to imperialism?

Any first year student of political economy may know that. The point is that in

the imperialist stage of capitalism centralisation reached a new point that

brings about some fundamental changes in the inner structure of capital that has

some serious economic and political consequences. Without Lenin's theory of

imperialism no one has been able to present an explanation of fascism and will

not be able. I hope you don't say we have in Europe, USA democracy.

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