[OPE-L:4293] Fw: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Part Two of VolumeIII of Capital

From: TonyTinker (TonyTinker@email.msn.com)
Date: Thu Oct 26 2000 - 01:10:00 EDT


 Dear Paul C,
>
> Regarding your pithy plumbing puzzle (below), let me offer two answers:
>
> No! your plumber does not create value under capitalism as s/he not wage
> labor, employed by a capitalist who subsumes your plumber, and extracts a
> surplus that is deployed in a manner that reproduces the rapacious
> relationship.
>
> Yes! value is created because the plumber is a composite of conflicting
> roles: one as a repressed worker, the other as a (self) repressing owner,
> who -- in order to stay in business -- has to reinvest in technology that
> increasingly degrades his own worklife.
>
> The second answer depicts the lives of many of us under capitalism.  Each
of
> us constitutes a multiplicity of role sets, where the individual roles are
> frequently in conflict (e.g., we are wage labor, but have pension funds
> driven by accumulation priorities, that invest in firms that pollute, etc.
> etc.).  This contemporary context is important (the answer would be
> different if your plumber lived in a world of independent commodity
> producers; absent accumulation processes).  After all, value is a social
> relation.
>
> Fraternally, TT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Cockshott <paul@cockshott.com>
> To: <ope-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 6:29 AM
> Subject: [OPE-L:4256] RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Part Two of
> VolumeIII of Capital
>
>
> >
> >  Paul Z:
> >
> >
> > Tony, You confuse surplus-value production with surplus production. Only
> > wage labor produces value and surplus value.
> >
> > Paul C:
> > I hired a plumber to fix my central heating yesterday, did his (self
> > employed)
> > labour create no value?
> >
> >
>
>
>
>



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