Fred and Andrew seem to be at it again on the transformation stuff. Witness the flurry of posts. Some observations. 1. I think we need to bear in mind that the capitalists of today are not necessarily after higher profit rates but do seek higher rates of return on their investments. Here I note that Marx had the good sense not to publish his transformation examples nor did he continue focusing on a simple rate of profit after 1868. Indeed, all of his work on CAPITAL in the 1870's was on Vol. II. This allowed him to consider and develop concepts that did not require resolution of the issues surrounding measures of profitability. That said, a few comments concerning the recent posts. 2. I see no reason to assume that the unit prices paid for the investments in Marx's transformation examples are equal to the unit prices of commodities produced with those investments. Further, I find no textual evidence that Marx made such an assumption. 3. Marx's examples are not part of some sort of reproduction schemes. Indeed, Marx, in correspondence with Engles, notes that the commodities produced by natural monopolies are not included in his transformation examples. This would rule out any effort to place the transformation procedure within the context of reproduction -- simple, expanded or other. 4. Kliman and McClone's work on the transformation problem is in response to those who use Marx's reproduction schemes to criticize his transformation procedure. Few relevant comments have been made concerning the success or failure of their efforts. Certainly, none in recent comments. 5. If we simply accept the idea that unit input and unit output prices are equal in Marx's transformation procedure and that this means that the inputs were produced using the same techniques as the outputs, then we are forced to conclude that prices of production can only exist when no technical change is taking place. Since technical change is more or less an ongoing feature of capitalism, prices of production can never exist. John
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