Ridiculous or not, he was on the State Department terrorist list. The talk of terrorism means that anybody whose policies the government dislikes can be a terrorist -- the category is not grounded in objective behavior as Patrick suggests. Patrick, you are mking the mistake of thinking rationally in irrational times. On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 01:13:44PM -0400, Patrick L. Mason wrote: > > > This discussion is bizarre. Mandela, a terrorist!!! Pure garbage. > > To conflate terrorism with a legitimate freedom fighter is mind boggling. > Everyone on the face of the earth who cared to know, knew the purpose of > the ANC's struggle. On the other hand, no one knows (for certain, at the > moment) who was behind last week's insanity or what possible goal the > perpetrators were trying to achieve. > > People who target buildings with day-care centers are simply evil. The WTC > included people of every religion, political ideology, economic class, skin > color, sexual preference, etc. among human beings. The only definable > target was human life. > > Blowing up the world trade center (through the suicidal hijacking and > destruction of planes that also contained a vast variety of people) is an > extraordinarily vicious, utterly futile, and stupidly meaningless act. > America has an $8.5 to $9.0 trillion GDP. This senseless act will have zero > longrun economic impact. Politically, it will only make it more difficult > to create a more humane world. This horrific event eliminated all > discussion of the World Conference Against Racism from the print and > electronic. > > The public works injection associated with rebuilding New York and > expanding the military will increase the size of the GDP. The American > military-industrial complex will only be made stronger. Neither the > Palestinians nor any Arab/Islamic political group fighting for a more > democratic government or any form of economic justice will be helped by > this act. > > To equate Mandela and the African National Congress with the > nation/organization/individuals that carried out the actions of the past > week is deeply insulting to anyone who thinks that morality, ethics, > values, and the preciousness of life, especially human life, are something > more than "contemptible bourgeois concepts." The ANC had as its policy that > only economic infrastructure and military targets were legitimate targets. > > Only degenerate, hedonistic, psychopaths murder thousands of people for the > sheer joy of killing. > > Maybe, I don't understand the mentality of some on "the left" anymore. > Maybe, I never did. Many leftist wish to save whales, protect rain forests, > stop the senseless of baby seals, and (some) encourage humans to quit > eating meat. Okay, that's all good. > > I'm all for saving whales, rain forests, and old growth forests and spotted > owls. But, I also think human life is worthy of salvation. I'm totally > against the senseless murder of animals. I live in a wooded area with > rattlesnakes, mocassins, copperheads, and coral snakes. I'm even against > killing these deadly snakes. > > I have no idea who carried out this horrific action, but common decency > would suggest that the perpetrators have nothing in common with the ANC or > British teenagers training to fight off a Nazi invasion. > > patrick l mason > > > > > > > At 04:48 PM 9/17/01 +0100, you wrote: > >During the WW2 British boy scouts, from the age of 11 to 16 were taught how > >to sabotage an expected German invasion force, in ways which were almost > >certainly 'suicidal'... ... no doubt we might have regarded this as > >terrorism if we were with the Wehrmacht. > > > >Your question is strikingly naive, if you will excuse me saying so. > >Mandela, Makarios, and many other post colonial leaders were well > >established 'terrorist' leaders. > > > >What are the 'objective' or material causes of these acts? that is the > >point. > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Chai-on Lee <conlee@chonnam.ac.kr> > >To: ope-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu <ope-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu> > >Date: 17 September 2001 11:21 > >Subject: [OPE-L:5922] RE: Re: Re: Re: the wages of war > > > > > > >Dear All, > > > > > >Could anybody distinguish between the terrorist and the guerrilla? > > >I am purplexed. > > > > > >Chai-on > > > > > > > -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael@ecst.csuchico.edu
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