At 19:42 06/05/02 -0400, you wrote: >As you say, Engels _could have_ been referring to the LTGRPD. >Yet, as we know, the drafts for what became Volume 3 were >not published by Engels until after his death. Nor do we have >reason to believe that Engels read the drafts prior to Marx's >death -- do we? Nor do we have reason to believe that Engels, >prior to Marx's death, read the drafts for what were later published >as the _Grundrisse_ -- do we? Nor, of course, did Marx refer to >the LTGRPD as the "law of motion" of bourgeois society. However, >I will grant you that, _if_ you interpret "this work" to mean all of >_Capital_, then it is a reasonable possibility. It would, however, >make the remainder of what became Volume 3 somewhat of an >anti-climax (and Marx had a dramatic flair and the 'climax' of his >'stories' was generally reserved for the end.) > >There have been a number of interpretations of what the "economic >law of motion" is. E.g. one author claimed that the General Law >of Capitalist Accumulation was for Marx "the Law of Motion of >Capitalist Society". What is most troubling about this interpretation >is that the author stated it as fact rather than identifying it as >speculative. The least the author could have done was to suggest >this as one possible interpretation -- and, even better, offer some >arguments for _why_ the GLCA should be understood as _the_ >law of motion -- rather than merely putting forward such a bold, >unsubstantiated assertion as if it were self-evident. In the same >source, that author advised _others_ on "How to Teach Capital". >That author's name was Raya Dunayevskaya ("Outline of Marx's >Capital", Detroit, News and Letters Committee, l979, pp. 53-54; >originally published with the pseudonym of Freddie Forrest.) > I find your reasoning extremely misleading as it attempts to separate the more concrete expression of the law of capital accumulation from the law... Many years ago I tried to develop the argument in my 'Marxist theory of crisis capital and the state'. There I argued: 'The general law of capitalist accumulation from the standpoint of capital (and the capitalist) represents itself 'on the surface of the phenomenon' as the tendency of the rate of profit to fall. This is not a mechanical or algebraic relation but the expression of the contradictory nature of the accumulation process from the standpoint of capital.' This answers Chris Arthurs' point I think The point is further developed in the next few paragraphs of the article - unfortunately it is not online or recently publlished... The further concretisation of the law will I agree go much further than Capital did but the method of moving from the abstract to the concrete is what has to be put into practice...the earlier abstractions are contained in the later concrete expressions of the law of motion of capitalist society etc.. In this context it is really not serious to argue that Engels was unaware of the importance of the law of the tendency of the rate of profit to fall in Marx's analysis of capitalism. After all they were in constant contact and discussion with each other as Marx developed his position. In addition the method of enquiry and that of presentation are entirely different - even the opposite I remember Marx saying somewhere. So Engels and Marx would have been aware of much of the material for Capital before it was presented in the form that we are aware of. >I. What exactly *is* the bearing of the LTGRPD to the mission of >overthrowing capitalism and the liberation of the working class? If we understand Capital as a critique of political economy and, therefore also, an ideological critique of utopian and opportunist conceptions of socialism - eg Proudhon and the Ricardian socialists then the significance of the law is clearer... There is a tendency of the rate of profit to fall as productivity increases and workers are more exploited - not less... This expresses the limits of capitalist production which will continually drive the system into crisis... While no crisis is the final crisis of capitalism, the outcome of any severe crisis will be determined by the political balance of class forces, and the ideological struggle is a crucial component in this process. Dealing with opportunist positions is part of that struggle. > >II. In addition to being a part of a critique of political economy, is it >part of an implicit critique of *reformism*? Yet, doesn't such a >critique require for its fuller development a comprehension of the >state-form (something that Marx abstracted from in _Capital_)? >And, can't a critique of reformism be developed without grasping >the significance of the LTGRPD? It requires a concrete analysis of many factors including the role of imperialism and its ability to corrupt labour organisations etc. My articles on the labour aristocracy and imperialism are an attempt to further develop our understanding of the concrete forms of the phenomena. I find it incredible how Marxists can discuss capitalism yet ignore imperialism and its political impact on the working class movement in the present-day Marxist discussion. > >III. Put in the context of comprehending the dynamics of the current >crisis, don't we have to move _beyond_ a comprehension of the >LTGRPD as presented in Volume 3? Indeed wasn't Marx well aware >of these limitations? E.g. in Vol 3, Ch. l4, Section 2 Marx indicates -- > in a short paragraph -- that a "reduction in wages below their value" >is "one of the most important factors in stemming the tendency for >the rate of profit to fall" yet "has nothing to do with the general >analysis of capital, but has its place in an account of competition, >which is not dealt with in this work". So how would you employ this >factor -- *along with others not discussed at length (or at all) in > _Capital_ by Marx* -- to comprehend the _current crisis_ and the >tasks of overthrowing capitalism and participating in the >self-emancipation of the proletariat which was, as Engels (and you) >reminded us, Marx's "real mission in life"? By concrete analysis of the'phenomenon' - in no way opposed to the further development of the law... > >IV. A follow-up question: as you are aware, Lenin (and the rest of >the Bolshevik theoreticians) didn't make much of the LTGRPD. >Indeed, in general, Lenin -- along with other Bolsheviks -- advanced >disproportionality and/or underconsumptionist theories of crisis >(see Richard B. Day's _The 'Crisis' and the 'Crash'_.) Yet, he -- along >with others -- made a revolution anyway. Wouldn't this seem to >suggest that a grasp of the LTGRPD is *not essential* from the >standpoint of Lenin's and Marx's "real mission in life" ? > Yes I am, although I think Day's view is over simplified. But Lenin's theorising was related directly to the political struggle - in his writings against the Narodniks he attempted to undercut their illusions by showing the degree and consequences of the development of capitalism in Russia. In Imperialism... he develops his positions in a different way to deal with Kausky among others. Lenin and Rosa Luxemburg, for example, were foremost revolutionaries because they made the choice to take the side of the oppressed masses. They used their Marxism for immediate political purposes as arguments against those who, through their opportunist standpoints and influence in the working class movement, were attempting to lead the movement into disaster. In Rosa Luxemburg's case she paid for that with her life. That I reject her theoretical argument on crisis theory in the Accumulation of Capital throws little light on the outcome of the struggle in that period. Theories about imperialism and the labour aristocracy would, hence the significance of Lenin's writings in that period. The development of theory is a concrete question. The most advanced theorists such as Plekhanov and Kautsky eventually sided with the bourgeoisie and their remarkable theoretical contributions to Marxist theory didn't help in this regard. That is why the real development of Marxist theory can never be separate from political struggle and therefore a political movement - it becomes a class issue. So much we could have learnt from Marx's Thesis on Feuerbach. All this is an attempt to briefly summarise my position but I would like to think that those who were seriously interested in these questions would at least look at my writings over the last 20 years or so in Fight Racism! Fight Imperialism! - our website has some of the material at http://www.rcgfrfi.easynet.co.uk or www.revolutionarycommunist.com In solidarity David Yaffe
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