From: Riccardo Bellofiore (bellofio@cisi.unito.it)
Date: Tue Oct 08 2002 - 13:48:12 EDT
Fred, what you call hypothetical is no hypothetical at all, if you understand as hypothetical something which is unreal. what's 'fictional' is the system of relative exchange values. it's a fictional system of relative exchange values which is NECESSARY to understand the ACTUAL formation of economic magnitudes (including: value, surplus value, money etc.) your charge MAY be valid against Rubin's reading of the transformation (he's much more hypothetical than me: go and verify). not mine, as published in Campbell & Reuten. all my magnitudes in my reading in volume I are ACTUAL. riccardo At 16:36 -0400 7-10-2002, Fred B. Moseley wrote: >On Sat, 5 Oct 2002, gerald_a_levy wrote: > >> Re Fred's [7754]: >> >> "no textual evidence at all ...." ??? >> >> Putting aside for now citations from Marx's manuscripts, >> including the _Grundrisse_ (which were discussed previously >> in the "ideal vs. real value" thread), let us consider >> the following sections from _Capital_: >> >> (all page numbers below are from Penguin/Vintage >> editions) >> >> Volume 2: >> >> 124-125 >> 145-146 >> 203 >> 205-206 >> 295-297 >> 396 >> 399 >> 418-419 >> 423 >> >> Volume 3: >> >> 134-135 >> 352-353 >> 393 >> 966-967 >> 982 > > >Jerry, my statement that "I see no textual evidence at all, in any of >Marx's manuscripts, that he himself followed such a "two-stage" method" >referred to how I understood Riccardo's interpretation, according to >which: > >Stage 1 is determination of a hypothetical total surplus-value >(dM*) proportional to the labor-time embodied in surplus goods. > >Stage 2 is the transformation of this hypothetical total surplus-value >into the actual total surplus-value (dM). > >I don't see that any of the passages you have cited suggest this kind of >"two-stage" determination of the total actual surplus-value. > >Would you please clarify? Thanks. > >Comradely, >Fred -- Riccardo Bellofiore Dipartimento di Scienze Economiche Via dei Caniana 2 I-24127 Bergamo, Italy e-mail: bellofio@unibg.it, bellofio@cisi.unito.it direct +39-035-2052545 secretary +39-035 2052501 fax: +39 035 2052549 homepage: http://www.unibg.it/dse/homebellofiore.htm
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