[OPE-L:7791] Re: "Hic Rhodus, hic salta!"

From: gerald_a_levy (gerald_a_levy@msn.com)
Date: Thu Oct 10 2002 - 07:43:35 EDT


Re Fred's [7779]:

> If there is no difficulty in the sale of commodities, then the actual
> total surplus-value determined after sale is equal to the total
> surplus-value determined in production, right?  In other words, in this
> case, the total surplus-value determined in production is the actual total
> surplus-value, and not a hypothetical total surplus-value proportional to
> the labor-time embodied in surplus goods, as in Riccardo's interpretation.
> I argue that Marx assumed throughout Volume 1 (and indeed generally
> throughout the three volumes) that there is no difficulty in the sale of
> commodities, so that the actual total surplus-value determined after sale
> is equal to the total surplus-value determined in production.

Well, yes, one can make the *assumption* that the entire commodity
product is sold in which case the magnitude of surplus-value determined in
production will equal the magnitude of the surplus-value that is
actualized.  Yet, so long as this is an assumption rather than a result, the
magnitude of *actual*  surplus-value can not be taken to be the same as
the magnitude that emerges from production.   But, I thought it was your
claim that the given surplus-value was the actual (vs. 'hypothetical')
magnitude  of s.  Both claims to me do not appear to be logically consistent
_unless_ this assumption is shown to be a result.  Yet, nowhere in _Capital_
that I know of has this emerged as a result rather than a presupposition.

I guess that returns us to the question (that I asked you a number of years
ago): what is the meaning of "givens" in Marx's theory?   If we take the
magnitude of s to be given by assumption we must show later in our analysis
(at a more concrete level of abstraction -- possibly as part of a
"post-Capital" analysis) that either what was presupposed has not been
demonstrated or that what was presupposed must be modified.

In solidarity. Jerry


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