[OPE-L:7823] Re: Re: Re: 'Hic Rhodus, hic salta!'

From: Christopher Arthur (cjarthur@waitrose.com)
Date: Tue Oct 15 2002 - 13:54:33 EDT


Fred writes
>
>> 2) I want to draw your attention to the fact that your presentation of
>> your theory has drifted. In recent mails you say the above. But earlier
>> you said something different. You said Marx does not need to determine
>> total SV at all because it is an empirical given, a premise not a
>> result. On this version of  your theory you start from social dM as a
>> problem and then you have various stages of its *explanation*. First you
>> try to explain it using the categories of V1 but with a macro twist
>> (which Marx's V1 does not have, but I have no objection); but this is
>> only provisonal because this categorial mesh is too crude; so the second
>> stage of the explanation you draw from V3; I assume you would then need
>> a third stage of explanation to cope with the realisation issues raised
>> by Jerry.
>
>
>Chris, I never said that "Marx does not need to determine total SV because
>it is an empirical given, a premise not a result."
>
That is the way I read 7714 and 23.

>What I have said is that the total surplus-value is determined in Volume
>1, under the assumption that there is no realization problem.  This total
>surplus-value determined in Volume 1 is the actual total surplus-value in
>periods in which there is in fact no realization problem.
>
>The distribution of this total surplus-value is then determined in Volume
>3, again under the assumption that there is no realization problem.  The
>crucial point is that the total amount of surplus-value does not change in
>Volume 3 as a result of the distribution of surplus-value (i.e. total
>profit = total surplus-value).  There is no further determination of the
>magnitude of the total surplus-value in Volume 3.  That has been my main
>point all along.
>
OK
Chris

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