From: Riccardo Bellofiore (riccardo.bellofiore@UNIBG.IT)
Date: Sat May 17 2003 - 08:33:24 EDT
I think Chris is right on openness. May I ask Jerry if it is possible to open for these kind of discussions a parallel closed site? r At 13:02 +0100 17-05-2003, Christopher Arthur wrote: >And I say I agree with Riccardo. (And also Fred) >But this illustrates also why I was, and remain, opposed to a public >archive. I would like to hear a discussion and particpate but I do not want >to word things as carefully as I would in a letter to the press. >Chris A > >>At 11:22 -0600 16-05-2003, Hans Ehrbar wrote: >>>In the times of imperialist attack on Cuba I consider it the >>>duty of every progressive either to support Cuba or, if you >>>feel you cannot do this, to stay silent, because everything >>>critical you say at this moment will be used as further >>>pretext for the attacks on Cuba. The actions by the Cubans >>>which you object to were undertaken as a defense against US >>>attacks. We have to try to stop the imperialists, instead >>>of second-guessing the actions Cuba is undertaking to defend >>>itself. This seems so obvious to me that I am embarrassed >>>to send it to this list. I am only saying it for the record >>>so that people perusing the archives will not get a false >>>impression. >>> >>>Hans. >> >> >>hans, four (no, five) things: >> >>(i) we decided to 'open' the list, so we decided to make debates >>openly. if we don't want that, we should close the list. or Jerry >>should open some parallel, closed site to discuss openly among >>comrades this kind of stuff. >> >>(ii) 'to stay silent'? I don't know why, but I have heard this kind >>of things many many times. I don't like the expression: neither the >>form nor the substance. >> >>(iii) I strongly support Cuba against US attacks. I repeat: strongly. >>And I condemn any 'pretext' to attack Cuba. But I do not justify the >>actions undertaken by Cuba, as you do. By the way, they are giving >>USA more 'pretexts'. There is a dissent among us on this. You cannot >>take your opinion as granted. I respect it, but mine is very >>different. >> >>(iv) in my mind (and unfortunately I can think only with my mind, and >>speak accordingly) what I said in prior mail is exactly the most >>friendly approach to Cuba, it' s the only way I see to support Cuba: >>avoid (or insist in) serious and dramatic errors. there is no >>second-guessing. those actions are patently wrong, are against what >>communism (at least, libertarian communism) is and should be, as end >>and as means. >> >>(v) should I say that those who do not understand this are really >>working against Cuba, and should then stay silent? it's not my >>attitude, frankly. I am interested in listening their opinions and >>arguments. >> >>r >> > >17 Bristol Road, Brighton, BN2 1AP, England -- Riccardo Bellofiore Dipartimento di Scienze Economiche "Hyman P. Minsky" Via dei Caniana 2 I-24127 Bergamo, Italy e-mail: riccardo.bellofiore@unibg.it direct +39-035-2052545 secretary +39-035 2052501 fax: +39 035 2052549 homepage: http://www.unibg.it/dse/homebellofiore.htm Al signor K chiesero cosa stesse facendo. Il signor K rispose: "Sto lavorando duro per preparare il mio prossimo errore" What are you working on, Herr K was asked. Herr K replied: "I am working hard, I am carefully preparing my next error" Bertolt Brecht
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