From: gerald_a_levy (gerald_a_levy@MSN.COM)
Date: Fri May 23 2003 - 07:01:50 EDT
Nicky: Of course, there are moral issues under debate in relation to the thread on Cuba. Yet, from a materialist perspective the precondition for such a debate is a comprehension of the *facts* about the situation in Cuba. A debate that proceeds from a moral principle yet doesn't attempt to systematically evaluate the empirical evidence is both idealistic and futile. Put in that perspective, all mention of moral principles in relation to comprehending a specific historical development must presume what needs to be first comprehended: the facts. What you have claimed to be factual in this debate, e.g. the credentials of the journalists, is not convincing, imo (don't you think that any agent can very easily obtain 'legitimate' press credentials?). Look at the Amnesty International report ... and attempt to discover the details ... they're not there, imo. Where's the beef? What made the condemnation of Stalin (and Stalinism) legitimate was not an abstract discussion about 'means and ends' and morality: it was a comprehension of the actual crimes of Stalin and his associates. The Marxist critics of Stalin, indeed, went to great pains to document those crimes. This is because they attempted to develop a materialist understanding of their period. So should we. Ironically, it is you, imo, who is adopting in relation to the Cuban leadership the principle that they are guilty until proven innocent. In solidarity, Jerry > have you read Koestler's book? It is relevant to the debate not as a > 'metaphore' but because the book develops a coherent (and brilliantly > argued) moral position on the old revolutionary question of ends and means. > It is with Koestler's moral position ON THIS QUESTION that Riccardo, Simon > and I explicitly agree. I suggest to you that the 'study of the facts' in > the case of Cuba's recent actions (summary trial and execution, justified by > reference to external threat) is not separable from this moral debate. So, > any 'serious exchange' must at least acknowledge (not necessarily agree > with) our concerns.
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