Re: indirect labor, the real wage, and the production of surplus value

From: ajit sinha (sinha_a99@YAHOO.COM)
Date: Mon Nov 24 2003 - 01:27:17 EST


I wrote:
> >I don't understand what you mean by your last
> >proposition. But I doubt we can get anywhere unless
> >you specify your theory of wages. Do you think that
> >real wages are determined by the degree of
> separation
> >between the working class or you think that it is a
> >function of labor productivity or something else?
> This
> >is the most crucial point in making sense of your
> >problem. Cheers, ajit sinha
Mike L responds:
>
> I think the real wage is determined by class
> struggle. I represent it as
> depending upon the degree of separation of workers
> (with both capital and
> workers attempting to act on this variable), and I
> propose that if the
> degree of separation is constant, then a fall in the
> values of wage-goods
> as the result of productivity increases will mean
> that real wages rise.
> That increase in real wages will be the result of
> successful class struggle
> by workers since only this will keep money wages
> constant (in the commodity
> money case).
>          in solidarity,
>           michael
________________________

Mike, this is what I thought, and that's why from the
begining I have been saying that your argument or the
problem is running in a circle. Once you say that the
real wage is determined by the class struggle or the
degree of separation of the workers, then you cannot
say that now I want to see how the real wages would
behave when the degree of separation remains constant
and some other variable changes. Because if the real
wage was only the function of the degree of separation
of the workers then once it is held constant then
there is no theoretical reason for it to change. Thus
when you say that you want to see how the real wages
would change when some other variable, in this case
labor productivity, changes, you are in effect saying
that the real wages are determined by two factors (1)
the degree of separation of the workers, and the other
variable, in this case the productivity of the labor.
Now given this, when you read out the changes in the
real wage due to changes in the productivity of labor,
given the separation of workers constant, you are in
effect drawing a relationship between the real wages
and the labor productivity. So your theory simply says
that labor productivity has positive impact on real
wages, it is not drawing any implication of what
happens if the degree of separation remains constant,
it is not throwing any light on the question of degree
of separation of the workers and its relation to real
wages.

Now let me try to make a case for you: I think you
need to argue that labor productivity affects degree
of separation, and for your kind of hypothesis,
positively. So when labor productivity rises, the
degree of separation increases, which in turn raises
the real wage. In this case your degree of separation
is not given by the rate of surplus value. So you have
a job cut our for you. First of all you will have to
develop some way of measuring or quantifying the
degree of separation of workers (s/v will not do, can
only create circularity in your argument). Then you
will have to develop a theory that shows how labor
productivity affects the degree of separation, and
then develop a theory of real wages that shows how
real wages are determined by degree of separation. So
the dominant causality runs from labor productivity to
degree of separation to real wages. I hope this is of
some help. Cheers, ajit sinha
> ---------------------
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> Professor Emeritus
> Economics Department
> Simon Fraser University
> Burnaby, B.C., Canada V5A 1S6
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