Re: [OPE-L] request

From: Fred Moseley (fmoseley@MTHOLYOKE.EDU)
Date: Thu Jul 06 2006 - 11:41:15 EDT


Hi Jerry, thanks for retreiving this.
And thanks to Paul for sending it.

I don't know the book.  What is it?

Comradely, Fred


Quoting ope-admin@RICARDO.ECN.WFU.EDU:

> Fred:
>
> I believe this is the post you wanted to see.  Do you have any
> opinions about White's argument ... or his book?
>
> In solidarity, Jerry
> Brooklin, ME
>
>
> ---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
> Subject: Re: [OPE-L] ISMT Conference in July on Marx and MEGA 2
> From:    "Paul Zarembka" <zarembka@BUFFALO.EDU>
> Date:    Sat, July 1, 2006 2:30 pm
> To:      OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> J.D. White's provocative argument is that "Results of the Immediate
> Process of Production" was left out of the published version of Vol. I
> because 'subsumption', its main theoretical concept, didn't work to
> link Vol. I and Vol. III.  'Subsumption' was even deleted where Marx
> had been in drafts for earlier parts of Vol. I.
>
> Sometimes it is argued the dropping of 'Results' was not a significant
> act on Marx's part.  This avoids issues at stake.
>
> Paul Z.
>
> Quoting Michael Heinrich <m.heinrich@PROKLA.DE>:
>
> > Jerry,
> >
> > the case is a little bit more complicated. When we look at the
> > edited
> > three volumes of "Capital" we can say, that the draft of the edited
> > vol.
> > 3 was written before the drafts of the edited vol. 2.  But Marx
> > wrote
> > much more than the drafts, which Engels used for the edition.
> > Therefore
> > the order of writing is not just vol.3 - vol. 1 - vol. 2.
> >
> > In 1863-65 Marx wrote drafts for all three (theoretical) books of
> > "Capital" (we must distinguish volume and book to understand Marx
> > letters correctly. He planned to write four books, in three volumes,
> > but
> > the content of the volumes changed). He started 1863/64 with the
> > draft
> > of book I (the only part which remained is "Results of the immediate
> > process of production"). After finishing the draft of book I, he
> > continued with book III (1864/65), but rather soon (during the first
> > three chapters, what became later the first three sections) he
> > interrupted and wrote a draft of book II. After finishing this draft
> > he
> > continued with book  III and stopped his work at the end of 1865
> > (with
> > the unfinished chapter on classes). In January 1866 he started to
> > prepare book I for publishing (he thought, that vol.1 could include
> > book
> > I and II). After publishing book I in vol. 1 (1867) he tried to
> > prepare
> > vol. 2 (which now should include book II and III) and for this he
> > started reworking his draft on book II and a number of new drafts
> > for
> > book II emerged. When Engels edited vol. 2 (containing book 2) he
> > used
> > only the more recent manuscripts and not the manuscript of 1863-64.
> > But
> > for book III, Engels must use the "old" manuscript of 1864/65.
> >
> > The precise order of writing was determined by different factors:
> > what
> > was clear for Marx and, what was an open question (for example that
> > Marx
> > in 1864 started with book III after finishing book I may have had
> > the
> > reason, that he wanted to write down something what was clear to
> > him,
> > but then he realized, that he also needed some results of book II
> > and
> > therefore he interrupted the work on book III) and especially in the
> > seventies the wish to publish vol. 2  determined Marx to concentrate
> > on
> > book II.
> >
> > In solidarity
> > Michael
> >
> > ope-admin@RICARDO.ECN.WFU.EDU schrieb:
> >
> > >Michael H et al,
> > >
> > >What do we know about _why_ Marx wrote the drafts in the order in
> > >which he did?  I.e. _why_ did he write the drafts for what became
> > >Volume 3 of _Capital_ before writing Volume I?; why did he write
> > the
> > >drafts for most of what became Volume 2 after writing the drafts
> > for
> > >what became Volume 3 and Volume 1?
> > >
> > >My supposition -- subject to correction -- is that _it didn't
> > matter_
> > >what order he wrote the volumes of _Capital_, but that still
> > doesn't
> > >answer the question _why_, does it?
> > >
> > >In solidarity, Jerry
> > >Somesville, MDI
>




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