Re: [OPE-L] Marx on the 'maximum rate of profit'

From: ajit sinha (sinha_a99@YAHOO.COM)
Date: Fri Oct 13 2006 - 15:50:23 EDT


--- Francisco Paulo Cipolla <cipolla@UFPR.BR> wrote:

> Yes, Ajit, we can have anything, any combination
> possible. But we are
> talking about tendencies, laws of motion,
> regularities. If capital shows
> a tendency to increase technical composition all
> accross industries then
> both valuesof labor power and means of production
> will fall all accross.
> This means that value composition of capital will
> behave organically
> related to technical composition, which results in a
> rising L/c.
> Paulo
______________________
How do you measure "technical composition of capital",
Paulo? ajit sinha
>
> ajit sinha wrote:
>
> > --- Francisco Paulo Cipolla <cipolla@UFPR.BR>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Rising organic composition and rising rate of
> > > exploitation are obviously
> > > related, Ajit. They are two aspects of
> increasing
> > > productivity.
> > _________________________
> > No, they are not. You can have increasing
> productivity
> > with falling organic composition of capital and
> you
> > can have decreasing productivity with rising
> > composition of capital. There is no law in
> economics
> > that I know of that says that productivity of
> labor
> > cannot rise if he value of constant element of
> capital
> > falls faster than the value of variable capital
> > needed. Secondly, imagine you are involved in
> mining.
> > As you produce more and more you find that it is
> > becoming more and more difficult to produce the
> same
> > amount of minerals as before, so you bring in
> heavy
> > machinery, your organic composition would rise but
> > your labor productivity may remain the same.
> > Generalize this case to agriculture as a whole, as
> > Ricardo did. You can have a rising organic
> composition
> > of capital with either fall or no increase in
> labor
> > productivity.
> > ______________________________
> >  As
> > > productivity rises and values fall workers can
> have
> > > a higher real wage
> > > (amount of goods), be more exploited, all this
> > > together with a reduction
> > > in the rate of profit. As you say the three
> trends
> > > can go together.
> > _______________
> > Actually, I was a little hasty, and I shouldn’t
> have
> > trusted my little mathematics done on the margin
> of a
> > newspaper. As a matter of fact by relative
> > immiseration, one could only mean the relative
> share
> > of wages and profits PER UNIT OF NET OUTPUT. And I
> > don't think under any circumstance the relative
> share
> > of wages could fall along with the rate of profits
> per
> > unit of net output. Thus the relative immiseration
> > thesis does not even get a start if it is defined
> > properly.
> > ________________________
> > > The maximum rate of profit is a concept that
> allows
> > > us to see that the
> > > fall of the profit rate is independent of the
> rate
> > > of exploitation. For
> > > this to be true it is enough to show that the
> new
> > > value created (L)
> > > shrinks as a percentage of constant capital.
> > __________________________
> > I don't think that a rise in C/L must imply a fall
> in
> > the maximum rate of profits to begin with, since
> you
> > are allowing labor productivity to rise. You
> should
> > note that it is well accepted that the formula for
> the
> > rate of profits as S/(C+V) is wrong, so you need
> to
> > check Sraffa to see whether the proposition you
> think
> > is obvious is all that obvious or not. Cheers,
> ajit
> > sinha
> >
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