From: David Laibman (dlaibman@SCIENCEANDSOCIETY.COM)
Date: Mon Aug 27 2007 - 10:29:31 EDT
Since a referendum appears to be developing on this, I would like to
weigh in. Jerry is right that the paranoid tone of certain comments
originated with Andrew; he (Jerry) was merely the reporter. But, as one
who is highly critical of the TSSI, I would suggest that -- to the
extent we continue to discuss this at all -- we focus *entirely* on the
substance: the nature of value, the role of value theory, the falling
rate of profit tendency, the Okishio Theorem, the best way to think
about temporal/sequential/nonequilibrium vs.
simultaneous/structural/equilibrium perspectives on capitalist reality,
the best way to read and interpret Marx, etc. In short, imagine that AK
et al are exemplars of collegiality, diplomacy and principled debate!
Forget personalities; go directly to the heart of the matter.
In solidarity,
David
Riccardo Bellofiore wrote:
> Two things:
>
> (i) I agree with Paul: Anders has a point here, I find inappropriate
> the style and the language of Jerry's mail in question
>
> (ii) at the same time, I am accustomed to clearly distinguish the
> attacker from somebody , though inappropriately, who simply defended
> himself. On the list we all know what happened since years, if not
> decades. This frankly was obscured in Anders' mail, which was very
> unilateral.
>
> So, may be, we can have Jerry's apologies, and also Anders' apologies
> for having being blind to these plain facts.
>
> And hopefully go on to more serious business.
>
> rb
>
> At 9:36 +0100 27-08-2007, Paul Cockshott wrote:
>> I think Anders has a point here
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: OPE-L [mailto:OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU] On Behalf Of Anders Ekeland
>> Sent: 27 August 2007 06:10
>> To: OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [OPE-L] Reclaiming Marx's "Capital": book launch talks,
>> reviews, media coverage
>>
>> Dear Jerry,
>>
>> 1) Whatever A. Kliman have written about OPE-L there is no reason to
>> drag that into OPE-L. Quite the opposite I would say, given the
>> experiences many of us have with this kind of "debates". You should
>> clearly avoid descending to a level of "debate" like this.
>>
>> 2) Following from 1) I still hold you should apologize for sending
>> this useless/harmful message to the list - especially since you are
>> the list-admin. You should set high standards here.
>>
>> Regards
>> Anders Ekeland
>> Norway
>>
>>
>> At 19:54 24.08.2007, you wrote:
>>> > what is this? What is the serious intention behind posting a message
>>> > like this?
>>> > And as a joke, I do not find it funny.
>>> > Isn't this a serious list?
>>>
>>> Anders:
>>>
>>> I agree that referring to OPE-L as "Levy's Defamation Den" and
>> "OPE-HELL"
>>> is not funny or the action of a person deserving to be taken seriously.
>>>
>>> Please recall that that it was Andrew Kliman, not myself, who made
>> those
>>> statements.
>>>
>>> [In any event, how can you take the work of a Marxist who referred to
>>> himself as "The Antichrist" seriously?]
>>>
>>> > Isn't Andrew Kliman's book a serious, scientific work, deserving
>>> > serious treatment?
>>>
>>> No, from what I've read, it's not a serious, scientific work. It's a
>>> piece of propaganda (which in my opinion wouldn't have been published
>>> unless it was part of the Raya Dunayevskaya book series). But, that's
>>> my opinion which you are free to agree or disagree with.
>>>
>>> > I think Jerry owes the list an apology for posting a message like
>>> > this. Be big enough to give us one right away Jerry!
>>>
>>> Now that you know it was Andrew Kliman who referred to OPE-L as
>>> "Levy's Defamation Den" I believe you owe me an apology. (Of course,
>>> Kliman owes me many apologies but I'm not holding my breath.) If you
>>> think that OPE-L is and should be a serious forum then your quarrel is
>>> with Kliman, not myself.
>>>
>>> In solidarity, Jerry
>
>
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