Andrew, Thanks for your 4175. Let me review matters briefly and then comment. I gave an example of a capitalist purchasing 5 machines but only using 4 in production. The 5th machine was solely a back-up to the other 4. In 4175, you took the position that the value of the 4 machines was transferred to the output while that of the 5th was a loss. That loss was to be deducted from "operating profit", P, so that "realized profit" becomes P-V where V is the value of the 5th machine. My comment. Let me, at first, for the sake of discussion, agree that the 5th machine's value is not transferred to the output. Let's also assume that the total living labor involved as the machines transfer their value is L. If all circulating capital costs are negligible, then the total value of the output is 4V+L or the value the 4 machines plus the living labor. L is thus what you call the "operating profit." To get the realized profit, you subtract from the operating profit the value of one machine, V. Now if the total value of the output remains the same before and after this distinction between types of profit, we can write Total Output = (4V+V)+(L-V) Our difference on these matters thus comes into sharper focus. If I were to view the total value transferred as 5V and you see it as 4V, then I'm looking at the living labor added to the output net of any losses due to "waste", you find it helpful to use the terms "operating profit" and "realized profit." Put another way, I would see the Total Output = 5V + A where A is L-V. If that one V were a loss due to moral depreciation, I think the our differing ways of viewing the total output would still hold. Let me stop here and simply say that I think our next step is to look at these differences as we consider the falling rate of profit. John
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