From: Paul Zarembka (zarembka@BUFFALO.EDU)
Date: Thu May 19 2005 - 20:26:16 EDT
On Thu, 19 May 2005 Gerald_A_Levy@MSN.COM wrote: > > But one could also say that anarchism was responsible for the Haymarket > > bomb and that it greatly harmed the labor movement. If so, objectively, > > such action supported capital and the state. > > Paul Z, > > What do you know that other labor historians don't know? I have > never seen nor heard of any credible evidence that anarchists were > responsible for making or throwing the bomb at Haymarket Square in > Chicago in 1886. To the best of my knowledge, we simply don't know who threw the Haymarket bomb. Thus, my own use of the conditional. An anarchist MAY have been the person and we do know that Lingg was into making bombs. (The scandalous convictions center, of course, upon those whom we know did NOT throw the bomb.) I repeat: if an anarchist threw the bomb, it was a very deleterious act for the labor movement -- with the same consequence as an explicit agent provocateur doing the act. It is perhaps an exact illustration that it is not simple to know 'which side a person is on', and, in fact, the objective consequences of the act is independent of the subjective feelings/intentions of WHO (your favored anarchist, or the police agent) actually did it. We do know who later shot Frick and McKinley. The consequences are also rather well known. > > > I think, though, that given John's latest clarifications there should > > > be _no_ question about whether he is supportive of the revolutionary > > > process in Venezuela or what side of the barricades he is on. > > > > Aren't we getting a bit too personal about John as an individual. Aren't > > we trying to discuss a larger issue? > > We should be trying to get at understanding a larger issue, but the thread > that you started on April 16 was explicitly directed towards John: > > "Query to John Holloway: What's your position on the Bolivarian > Revolution?" > > That query has now been answered. You are unconditionally satisfied by John's email earlier today, even before anyone has time to respond. Explicitly responding to you, 'so be it, your support is recognized'. Paul
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