From: Fred Moseley (fmoseley@MTHOLYOKE.EDU)
Date: Tue Oct 18 2005 - 11:57:55 EDT
Mike, thanks very much for your helpful response. I think we are making progress in mutual understanding, and perhaps even in substantial agreement. We shall see. On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, michael a. lebowitz wrote: > 2. Fred, Jerry is right: I was not proposing that surplus value and > profit are different magnitudes; on the contrary, as Andrew reminds > us, 'essence must appear' , and I have no reason to think that it > appears in a different magnitude (except, of course, for the > subdivision of surplus value). Good, I am glad that we agree on this point. Thanks for the clarification. Sorry I misinterpreted you. > On the other hand, I do not view > surplus value as prior in time (as opposed to logic) to its form(s). > Therefore, for me, distribution (including 'transformation') is a > logical rather than a temporal process. I'm assuming that you > disagree--- that there is a state in time in which surplus value > exists prior to its distribution. I both agree and disagree. The transformation is both a logical process and a process in time - under the abstract assumption that S = D. In Marx's theory of the production of surplus-value in Volume 1of Capital, it generally assumed throughout that S = D, except for a few non-systematic asides. Marx repeats this assumption many times. (I would be happy to provide references). Therefore, the total surplus-value that is determined in Volume 1 is an abstract total surplus-value, under the assumption that S = D. Furthermore, in the theory of the distribution of surplus-value in Volume 3, Marx continues to assume that S = D. Again this assumption is repeated many times. Indeed, the concept of price of production, the central concept of Volume 3 assumes equal rates of profit across industries, which in turn assumes S = D. The analytical framework for Marx's theory of the production and distribution of surplus-value is the circulation of capital: M - C ... P ... C' - M'. In Marx's theory, surplus-value is produced in production and realized in circulation. Under the assumption that S = D, the total amount of surplus-value realized in circulation is = to the abstract total amount of surplus-value produced, which is determined in the sphere of production, prior to its realization in circulation. So in this theoretical sense, the abstract total surplus-value is determined prior to circulation and distribution. I do not mean that the ACTUAL total surplus-value, with S not = D, exists prior to circulation. Rather, I mean that the abstract total surplus-value that is determined in Marx's theory in Volume 1, under the assumption of S = D, is determined prior to the third phase of circulation. At the same time, I certainly agree that the transformation is a logical process. The total surplus-value is determined logically prior to the equalization of profit rates and the further division of the total surplus-value into its individual parts. I have been talking for years about "Marx's logical method". And this logical method includes the assumption that S = D in Capital, which in turn implies that the abstract total surplus-value is determined in production prior to its realization and distribution in circulation. Marx planned to analyze realization crises and market prices with S not = D beyond Capital, at a lower level of abstraction. These are of course important and crucial phenomena, but they belong to a lower level of abstraction than Capital. Capital assumes S = D in order to explain the production and distribution of surplus-value "in its pure state". You say that, according to me, "there is a state in time in which surplus-value exists prior to its distribution." I would put it differently: in Marx's theory of the circulation of capital, under the assumption of S = D, the abstract total surplus-value is determined prior to its distribution in circulation. Mike, how much do we agree or disagree? Comradely, Fred
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