From: Anders Ekeland (anders.ekeland@ONLINE.NO)
Date: Wed Oct 24 2007 - 16:57:06 EDT
Hi Jerry, my last post on this topic: 1) In my opinion it is not correct to say that Kliman "indirectly introduced" the expression "defamation den". Because: If Paul Z. just had forwarded to the list the introduction to the book - delimited by Kliman by ======= in his email to Paul - signalling clearly that his first couple of lines were not intended for forwarding - this "defamation den" would not have been an issue at all on OPE-L. 2) but the important point is that you get it all wrong when you write: >In the subsequent discussion you were reminded that Kliman had introduced >that expression on OPE-L in the above manner. So - please - don't hold me >responsible for that. Kliman obviously wanted to intervene and stir >things up here ... and he succeeded. - Kliman did certainly not "introduce" that expression - it was you that really highlighted that phrase - which was your choice - but not only that - you added: "We are all evidently in his reckoning part of the Global Conspiracy Against the TSSI, which is also an International Anti-Copernican Conspiracy Against Marx's Marxism, and Andrew Kliman in particular. In case you didn't all understand our secret mission - it is to perpetuate the myth of Marx's internal inconsistencies and in so doing prevent his perspectives from being taken seriously. Welcome to the club." ... and you would not express any regret or apologise for this - which would have stopped all further discussion on this point. 3) Klimans "defamation den" was ironic IMO, and so was your "Welcome to the club". But this type of irony does much more harm than good to our common cause - left wing politics. Conclusion: Kliman's "success" in stirring up things here was entirely dependent on you letting yourself be provoked. Regards Anders At 16:32 24.10.2007, you wrote: > >> When looking back on OPE-L from 1.1.07 to date, searching for TSSI in > >> the body of the message, there is two main "outburst" of discussion > >> of the TSSI, the first triggered by your "defamation den" - and then > >> this last one "the vote taking". > > PS: I don't recall posting anything on this list recently (or ever) about > > a "defamation den". What post of mine are you thinking of? > >Anders: > >I checked into the archives about this. The expression "defamation den" >was introduced on OPE-L indirectly by Andrew Kliman. I.e. Andrew sent a >message to Paul Z which included that expression and then Paul forwarded >it, with Andrew's permission, to OPE-L. ><http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/ope/archive/0708/0120.html> > >In the subsequent discussion you were reminded that Kliman had introduced >that expression on OPE-L in the above manner. So - please - don't hold me >responsible for that. Kliman obviously wanted to intervene and stir >things up here ... and he succeeded. > >In solidarity, Jerry
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