RE: [OPE] English-German translations? Erfurt Programme

Date: Mon Jul 21 2008 - 15:19:04 EDT

> Yes, Jerry is missing the point. The Erfurt Programme has two parts: Maximum (revolution) and Minimum (reform) Programme. The first part describes in a more > general sense the long term aim(s). The Minimum programme has in turn two parts. First part has 10 aims to be implemented to improve the quality of social life > in general - not just administration. The second part aims to improve work conditions of working classes. So it is not state centered at all.
Hi Dogan:
I don't have the document in front of me (although I read it
_many_  years ago) so I am at a bit of a handicap to reply: 
was the SPD's vision of SOCIALISM a state-centered 
perspective or not?
You might recall (I think you were on the list when we had
this exchange) that there is some disagreement over whether 
a [workers'] state is necessary for socialism (or even compatible 
with that goal)  The particular context in which that discussion arose 
was over differing interpretations of  Marx on the Paris Commune.One 
perspective (most notably advocated by former member, Mike L) 
considered the Commune to be a state and another perspective 
(advanced by John H and Alberton B) said that it was not.
In solidarity, Jerry

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