Re: [OPE] FWD: Important review of Kautskyism Past and Present

Paul C,

Kautsky's changes of position are discussed in some detail in the book.
Obviously the second volume will deal with the issue in a more thorough way.

David Yaffe

At 14:50 11/08/2010 +0100, you wrote:
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>From: "Paul Cockshott" <wpc@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
>Subject: Re: [OPE] Important review of Kautskyism Past and Present
>Date: 11th August 2010
>Time: 2:42:40 pm
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>I was not intending to be provocative. The point about Lars Lih and Mike
>Mcnair is that they explicitly defnd Kautsky and point to the considerable
>are of overlap between Kautsky and Lenin. Basically they are saying that
>there is no significant difference between Kautskyism and Leninism till
>after 1917. My own view is that whilst a clear reassertion of classical
>social democracy might be an improvement on the views of the CPs in the
>50s onwards, it is far from adequate today, hence the critiques of them
>that I have published.
>However if you are dealing with a doctrine in a critical fashion surely it
>is better for you to argue with people who explicitly endorse the doctrine.
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>From: "david@danyaf.plus.com" <david@danyaf.plus.com>
>Subject: Re: [OPE] Important review of Kautskyism Past and Present
>Date: 11th August 2010
>Time: 12:45:46 pm
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>Paul C,
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>You are just being provocative. Kautsky was a renegade and chauvinist and
>the consequences of his position were more than disastrous for millions of
>working class and oppressed peoples. The second volume of Alec Abbott's
>work will be on Kautsky and I will let you know when it is up.
>
>David Yaffe
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>At 09:42 10/08/2010 +0100, you wrote:
>>I was wondering what Dave Y makes of the very explicit adoption of
>>Kautsky as a model theorist by
>>Mike Macnair and Lars Lih?
>>I wrote a critical review of MacNairs book which rehabilitates Kautsky
>>here http://londonbookclub.co.uk/?p=617
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>>From: ope-bounces@lists.csuchico.edu [ope-bounces@lists.csuchico.edu] On
>>Behalf Of david@danyaf.plus.com [david@danyaf.plus.com]
>>Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 7:27 PM
>>To: ope@lists.csuchico.edu
>>Subject: [OPE] Important review of Kautskyism Past and Present
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>>The latest edition of FRFI has a review of an important new online book by
>>Alec Abbott - Kautskyism past and present. The review is in FRFI 216 - The
>>limits to opportunism - and is by Peter Howell. It can be found at:
>>http://www.revolutionarycommunist.org/index.php/reviews/1873-the-limits-to-opportunism--frfi-216-augsep-2010.html
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>>If you have difficulty opening this go to the FRFI website at
>>www.revolutionarycommunist.org - FRFI latest edition on left-hand side.
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>>The book is a rigorous critique of writers such as Panitch and Gindin,
>>Negri, Perry Anderson, Brenner, Callinicos and Harvey. It also shows the
>>significance of Kautsky's different theories of ultra-imperialism and
>>examines the views of the above writers in that context. The book is the
>>first volume available so far of a three volume work. It can be found at:
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>>www.rosclar.webspace.virginmedia.com
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>>Please pass this information on to others who might also be interested.
>>
>>David Yaffe
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